LXDE & ORCA RESEARCH
The messages starting at the following links suggest the following
Klaus, of Knoppix fame, says that one should configure a windows manager to use keyboard shortcuts or hotkeys so that the mouse does not have to be used. He believes that a audible text menu is best.
As of July 2009, LXDE is not entirely Orca compliant. The problem is that parts of lxpanel can not be used without a mouse.
http://www.mail-archive.com/lxde-list@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00245.html
Set up a fresh install of Puppy 431 . Installed lxde pet. It installed okay, but presented me with a grey screen on reboot.
Monday, April 12, 2010
Sunday, April 11, 2010
XFCE stuff
Question does XFCE use the same GTK mottle, whatever that means, as Gnome and if so will it run Orca?
According to the following message, Xfce 4.4 does, and should run Orca.
[url]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-accessibility/2008-February/002660.html[/url]
It’s worth looking into.
According to the following link, Orca did give the welcoming message under XFCE but nothing further.
http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com/msg02633.html
The following says that orca will work with Firefox, while in Xfce, but Orca is terminated when Firefox is closed.
From the message:
By default Xfce does not set the required environment variable to make gtk use the accessibility backend (atk -> gail), i've created a bug [1] for that, because that is indeed quite important. To enable this in the toolkit you can do 2 things: 1) Create a .gtkrc-2.0 file in your home-directory and add the line: gtk-modules="gail:atk-bridge" 2) Export a environment variable GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2010-January/msg00218.html
An answering message suggests that at-spi needs to be installed at startup It also suggests using Lxde.
According to the following message, Xfce 4.4 does, and should run Orca.
[url]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-accessibility/2008-February/002660.html[/url]
It’s worth looking into.
According to the following link, Orca did give the welcoming message under XFCE but nothing further.
http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com/msg02633.html
The following says that orca will work with Firefox, while in Xfce, but Orca is terminated when Firefox is closed.
From the message:
By default Xfce does not set the required environment variable to make gtk use the accessibility backend (atk -> gail), i've created a bug [1] for that, because that is indeed quite important. To enable this in the toolkit you can do 2 things: 1) Create a .gtkrc-2.0 file in your home-directory and add the line: gtk-modules="gail:atk-bridge" 2) Export a environment variable GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2010-January/msg00218.html
An answering message suggests that at-spi needs to be installed at startup It also suggests using Lxde.
Basic Low level pup.
Was playing around with this last night. Worked fairly well when I wanted to read some web pages.
basic low vision pup
This could be classified as a quick and dirty solution slapped together in a few hours. Okay, it was slapped together in a few hours. But it may fill a need until a better solution is found.
What you’ll need
Puppy 2.17
[url]http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppy Linux/[/url]
Puppy 2.14x or Puppy 3.01 may work. Puppy 217 is the one I tested it in.
Jwmspeak
[url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=625861976&t=27287[/url]
I could not get Jwmspeak to work in Puppy 431. I am not a programmer and one may be able to get it working.
Mcewanw’s Foksyf eye r system can be added to any puppy.
[url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1068304027&t=26184[/url]
Virtual Magnifier Glass
[url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1571973517&t=37641[/url]
This is how I did it.
1 -- install a fresh copy of Puppy 2.17
2 -- install the magnifier
3 -- install foksyf eye r get it working
4 -- install jwmspeak
Quick and easy Foksyf eye r.
1-- install the pets. If you are using Puppy 431 you need the patch. I used 217 so only installed the core pet.
2 -- open a terminal and type in “foksy setup”
3 -- reboot Puppy
4 -- open a terminal and type in “ifoksy”
The program will start working and will read your keystrokes.
5 --in the terminal, type “foksy” to get the menu.
Note I found foky to be rather temperamental. In that it did not like --
I -- being interrupted closing down the terminal
Ii -- having two instances of foksy working in two terminals. The first one worked, the second one did not.
Iii -- It did not like being shut down, with the terminal window closed and then reopened for another session.
Each time I had to reboot Puppy
Foksy installs espeak on your system, which Jwmspeak needs to operate. Which is why I left it to last.
Using it
Real simple.
1 -- make sure you have a terminal window with Foksy menu working in it. In fact, take it one step further. Type in ‘p’ to get to the paste menu. Leave the window open.
2 -- get the magnifier working. It’ll be in the Utilities menu.
3 -- Do whatever it is you were going to do.
4 -- If you wish something read out to you highlight it. Go over to the Foksy terminal and type in “sx” Espeak will start speaking.
Jwmspeak will read the menu items, and identify any open windows.
Jwmspeak is louder than foksy
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What you’ll need
Puppy 2.17
[url]http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppy Linux/[/url]
Puppy 2.14x or Puppy 3.01 may work. Puppy 217 is the one I tested it in.
Jwmspeak
[url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=625861976&t=27287[/url]
I could not get Jwmspeak to work in Puppy 431. I am not a programmer and one may be able to get it working.
Mcewanw’s Foksyf eye r system can be added to any puppy.
[url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1068304027&t=26184[/url]
Virtual Magnifier Glass
[url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1571973517&t=37641[/url]
This is how I did it.
1 -- install a fresh copy of Puppy 2.17
2 -- install the magnifier
3 -- install foksyf eye r get it working
4 -- install jwmspeak
Quick and easy Foksyf eye r.
1-- install the pets. If you are using Puppy 431 you need the patch. I used 217 so only installed the core pet.
2 -- open a terminal and type in “foksy setup”
3 -- reboot Puppy
4 -- open a terminal and type in “ifoksy”
The program will start working and will read your keystrokes.
5 --in the terminal, type “foksy” to get the menu.
Note I found foky to be rather temperamental. In that it did not like --
I -- being interrupted closing down the terminal
Ii -- having two instances of foksy working in two terminals. The first one worked, the second one did not.
Iii -- It did not like being shut down, with the terminal window closed and then reopened for another session.
Each time I had to reboot Puppy
Foksy installs espeak on your system, which Jwmspeak needs to operate. Which is why I left it to last.
Using it
Real simple.
1 -- make sure you have a terminal window with Foksy menu working in it. In fact, take it one step further. Type in ‘p’ to get to the paste menu. Leave the window open.
2 -- get the magnifier working. It’ll be in the Utilities menu.
3 -- Do whatever it is you were going to do.
4 -- If you wish something read out to you highlight it. Go over to the Foksy terminal and type in “sx” Espeak will start speaking.
Jwmspeak will read the menu items, and identify any open windows.
Jwmspeak is louder than foksy
_________________
http://dwjkerr.bravejournal.com/
I put these on the Puppy forums but thought I should make a copy here
What do you mean by low vision Puppy. Do you just need a magnifier, or text to speech.
If you just wish something to read the menus, try Jwmspeak as the window manager.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=625861976&t=27287
LightHousePup has, I believe, a setting which can be used to increase the font size.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1989535997&t=47588
Mu’s KDE3.58 sfs doesn’t seem to be around any more, but if you can find a KDE that can be installed, KDE’s accessibility stuff, Kttsd and Ksayit works fairly well.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=140610083&t=30061
I tried it in Puppy 4.x and it works pretty well.
Lighthousepup does have a KDE sfs. No idea if it will work in standard Puppy.
Mcewanu’s Foksyf eye r system can be added to any puppy.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1068304027&t=26184
Eldy works well. I’ve never tried it, under that name anyway, But I like Noob
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=436852957&t=49117
I believe Lobster has included Eldy in one of his Tmxxine editions.
Wow has made a gnome sfs in which Orca can be made to work, at least partially. I don’t know if it is still available. That version worked with 3.01. This works in Puppy 4.00
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1059748108&t=27864
Edbrowse is a nice program if you can live without graphics and a very steep learning curve.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=2019540118&t=26863
Regarding Orca, Knoppix has been able to get it working with LXDE or their lastest distro. I have no idea how. There’s attempts to get Orca working with XFCE.
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What do you mean by low vision Puppy. Do you just need a magnifier, or text to speech.
If you just wish something to read the menus, try Jwmspeak as the window manager.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=625861976&t=27287
LightHousePup has, I believe, a setting which can be used to increase the font size.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1989535997&t=47588
Mu’s KDE3.58 sfs doesn’t seem to be around any more, but if you can find a KDE that can be installed, KDE’s accessibility stuff, Kttsd and Ksayit works fairly well.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=140610083&t=30061
I tried it in Puppy 4.x and it works pretty well.
Lighthousepup does have a KDE sfs. No idea if it will work in standard Puppy.
Mcewanu’s Foksyf eye r system can be added to any puppy.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1068304027&t=26184
Eldy works well. I’ve never tried it, under that name anyway, But I like Noob
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=436852957&t=49117
I believe Lobster has included Eldy in one of his Tmxxine editions.
Wow has made a gnome sfs in which Orca can be made to work, at least partially. I don’t know if it is still available. That version worked with 3.01. This works in Puppy 4.00
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1059748108&t=27864
Edbrowse is a nice program if you can live without graphics and a very steep learning curve.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=2019540118&t=26863
Regarding Orca, Knoppix has been able to get it working with LXDE or their lastest distro. I have no idea how. There’s attempts to get Orca working with XFCE.
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